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PostSubject: In depth analysis   Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:43 am

So Ray inspired me rather recently with this idea.

So I'm certain I'm not alone in pondering aspects of RP to considerable length and detail (probably more than necessary but w/e). SO I was thinking on this page we could have intellectual discussions based on various topics of interest and get various perspectives on them. Debate, discuss, I encourage it!

I have an idea for a starting topic but I want to see if there's a general interest first.

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PostSubject: Re: In depth analysis   Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:01 am

Ooo... I'm interested! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Crouch Jr   Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:03 am

Okay, here's a topic.

Has Artemis done well as a Head Strayer?

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PostSubject: Re: In depth analysis   Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:07 am

Hmm... I think he's doing rather well, but I agree with what Ray's been telling him. He needs to work on the gullability a bit more, and gain the trust of others instead of give it immediately. But other than that, I believe he's doing well.
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PostSubject: Artemis Strayer (Sound)   Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:12 am

In my opinion, he's doing good given the circumstances in which he became Head Strayer.

When Fade and the others became Head Strayers they were basically set in their security. The Strayers were a cohesive unit that never challenged leadership or it's original code.

However Artemis had to recover his family from not only a WAR but also with an entire political reformation. That's a lot of pressure to put on a teenager who wasn't adequately taught to be a leader just yet.

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PostSubject: Re: In depth analysis   Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:14 am

That's very true... (I didn't really know that until now xP ) He is very kind hearted and admirable and brave, which are really good traits for a leader to have.
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PostSubject: Artemis Strayer (Sound)   Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:16 am

But his gullibility is a weakness he has to try and overcome I admit.

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PostSubject: Re: In depth analysis   Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:16 am

Yeah, hopefully he learned something from Raven's betrayal. xD
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PostSubject: Re: In depth analysis   Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:30 pm

i think gullibility is better than the inability to trust, which is why Artemis was chosen over Crest. He has the compassion needed for the job, that's all you can ask for, because it will be stretched + tested a lot.
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PostSubject: Re: In depth analysis   Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:11 pm

That's a very good point, Mer. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: In depth analysis   Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:39 pm

This has nothing to do with what you guys are talking about, but I must say it. Ray, I love your prof picture! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: In depth analysis   Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:24 pm

Thanks! Very Happy I LOVE Zuko!! :3
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PostSubject: Re: In depth analysis   Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:27 pm

the last airbender <3

TOPH IS THE BEST.

FUCK EVERYONE ELSE, I SHIP ZUTARA AND TOKKA.
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PostSubject: Re: In depth analysis   Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:28 pm

OMFDL, Toph is KICKASS!!! xD
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PostSubject: Re: In depth analysis   Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:34 pm

I KNOW!! she is by far my favourite character. her and iroh.

life goal: to find the real iroh and force him to make me tea.
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PostSubject: Re: In depth analysis   Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:38 pm

...
brilliant analysis going on here...
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PostSubject: Re: In depth analysis   Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:08 pm

Yes, we're analyzing the brilliance of Avatar: The Last Airbender. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: In depth analysis   Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:17 pm

yup. i blame death -points at death-

TLAB is my second fvaourite anime, wait, make that 3rd. aaahh idk but i love it so <3
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PostSubject: Re: In depth analysis   Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:25 pm

Yep, it's my fault, I started this whole thing.
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PostSubject: Re: In depth analysis   Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:32 pm

going kinda back on topic-
my own question

Who is actually the more 'insane' one from the Crouch siblings? River or Crouch?
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PostSubject: Crouch   Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:53 pm

I think personally they both are in their own way.

Crouch is outwardly insane while Rivers is more inward but is more controllable. For example, Crouch will act upon reaction to a negative stimuli with nearly predictable aggression and violence. But River can bottle up her reaction and release it on command rather than spur of the moment.

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PostSubject: Re: In depth analysis   Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:22 pm

I dont know.
Crouch knows he is insane, as such, and uses it to his advantage- and i think he also make people think he is more crazy than he really is, where as River doesnt have a clue. She thinks she is 'normal', which i think makes her more insane because she really is unpredictable- and she is able to come across to people as being sane...
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PostSubject: Crouch   Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:44 am

Hmmm I guess it's a subconscious routine Crouch does, making himself seem more insane than he actually is. As we discussed Crouch isn't in his purest 'insane', just a sadistic sociopath with a warped view of reality due to both his upbringing and Voldemorts influence.

But whereas Crouch uses the promise of revenge to cope with his past tragedies,River doesn't have that. So did she EVER really recover from it?

Or has Crouch even for that matter?

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PostSubject: Re: In depth analysis   Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:48 pm

I dont think she did.
Rivers all about the 'nice' side of things, forgiveness and stuff, but i dont actually think she does ever forgive anyone. She is just a lot better than crouch at hiding how 'scared' she is about things- and i think she is actually better at waiting to get revenge.

Crouch, I think, hasnt recovered either, but there are a lot of suttle differences between the two of them.

Crouch had to live with the family after Riv had been taken away, so he has the constant hate, where as River hasnt.
She went from being really nice and innocent to everyone, to remembering her past, and getting a forgotten hate from her father and everyone all at once.
Crouch was the one that was always beaten by their father, do has the hate from the pain, where as River had to stand and watch as her brother was punished for something she did- so she has the hate, but also the guilt- She blamed herself for crouch being hurt.

Basically, I dont think River knows how to cope/ deal with her past, whhich is why she is so...unstable. She wants to punish the people who hurt her, but she doesnt know how to, hence why she is 'good' about it sometimes, and acts more like crouch does other times.
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PostSubject: Crouch   Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:12 pm

Frankly I think between the two, I think River is best off.

I agree with several of your points. Guilt is the anchor that keeps River from lashing out against the world because she knows actions have reactions. But no matter what Crouch did he'd get punished so his preception of consequences is vague.


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